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To Immigrate or Not to Immigrate

By The Cynical Investor

immigrate or not

This is a Guest Post where contributors write for A Canada Immigrant’s Blog.

A disciple asked his Zen master: “Shall I get married or not?”

“Whatever you choose you will regret it!”, answered the Zen master.

So the answer to our question would be the same.

But I have read something else – that’s the problem of being an avid reader, it’s difficult to come with something original and whatever I think it is original I might have read it somewhere and I forgot that I read it, but I digress so I’ll just start with a new sentence for a better impact.

It is better to regret you have done something than to regret you have not done it. So simple and powerful, it would make a good article for one of the self-development blogs.

As you can already imagine the answer is to immigrate – as you’ve noticed I have not said ‘my answer’, I preferred something impersonal to deflect future ‘accusations’ of ‘you said so’, even if I am not a self-development guru and no-one should base her/his decisions in life on an article even this one :) .

The Canadian immigration points system has the advantage that is fair and whoever fulfills the criteria can immigrate in comparison with the American visa lottery, that is a … lottery. The issue is that people who fulfill the criteria more often than not are well off at home, so they leave what they’ve achieved so far for a dream (I wanted initially to write ‘the unknown’, but ‘dream’ better describes it, not to mention that some emigrants would already have relatives there so they would know what to expect not to mention the Internet with numerous Canadian immigration forums that would paint a picture very close to the reality).

At home the immigrant has as standard of life higher than the average and now they find themselves below the average. If they find a job and they do what they like (or not dislike) everything will be fine. The integration has already started and they are becoming part of the system.  But if the job is well below their qualifications and more important expectations, problems will appear and the immigrant will start seriously thinking of going back home. Only the fact that they spent so much money coming here and somehow the shame of ‘not making it’ would make them postpone the return.

Of course if the immigrant was back home a manual worker, taxi driver, janitor, nurse, construction worker, tradesman, etc. it will better for them to come as the wages will be higher but – perhaps wrongly – the points system does not allow this.

I had initially landed to only get the PR card as I could not bring myself to make the big step. 10 years before it would have been a different story but my standard of living was higher and perhaps as important of the country as a whole (nobody wants to live in a country, where most people are getting poorer and poorer, and the country is falling apart, even if one is well off).

And as it happens as I really did not want to immigrate (I was reading too much of the ‘horror’ stories in forums with people who had to accept menial jobs in order to survive) I got a job offer too good to turn it down (quite a hefty lump amount of money as a relocation package, reimbursed air tickets and paid hotel). People were paying to go to Canada, I was paid to come. It was the first time and still the only time I did not spend countless hours trying to find the most affordable air fare to the place I wanted to travel to.

The relocation bonus was in fewer than 3 years lost in very bad stock investments. As they say: easy come, easy gone. I should have bought a car and furniture like others did but no, I thought I was smarter. You know the story that instead of buying an Apple Computer in 1997 one would have invested in stock, one would have had some $300k now. So why buy an ordinary car when I can wait a few more years and buy a Porsche or even longer and go for a Ferrari. However, that’s a different story and I digress too much and it is about time to cut a long post short.

I know people who could not accommodate and went back but also people from Western Europe that came here and I think more people from the developed world immigrate to Canada rather than the other way so perhaps there is something about Canada, perhaps it has something to do with the vast open spaces.

What if the world ends in 2012 according to the Mayan calendar (I can’t believe I am writing this, and it would not really end but go through calamities on a scale never seen before comparable only with the Flood). This might (will) not happen but some paint an apocalyptic future with the world falling apart because of climate change, world financial collapse, great 2nd recession, people rioting for food, wars started for access to resources (read water). If this happens it will be better to be in a country like Canada, as the government could take better care of its citizens than other countries could do and also, one perhaps would be in a better position to help their families back home.

Come for your children and/or experience if not something else and do not forget you can always go back (if you are not from a country like North Korea or Cuba where you would have not come out in the first place).

Again, it is better to regret you have done something than to regret you have not done it.

And more importantly: Follow your heart!
Published: April 29th, 2010

Comments

  • http://www.correresmidestino.com Zhu

    I’m from Western Europe :-)

    What brought me to Canada is just chance, and then I decided to stay because I wanted to take the opportunity of living abroad. Little by little, I grew to love this country and I believe my life is better here than in France.

  • http://www.sunripe.wordpress.com Tamara

    This blog is just what i was looking for. I have to make a decision of whether to migrate to Canada or the UK or to stay here in St. Lucia. My blog http://www.sunripe.wordpress.com depicts my thoughts about the matter and just daily life in St. Lucia. Hopefully writing it, along with the comments/advice I get, will help me make my decision.

  • Jagoda

    Well if I can turn back time I will rather stay away from Canada. Now is too late to go back.
    All immigrants should think 5 times before making decision to move here. Canada has the best educated pizza delivery guys in the world. And also Canada has the best educated security guards and janitors in the world. Cool isnt it? Only in Canada doctors from foreign countries are doing flyer delivery and they even cant be janitors in hospitals because they are over qalified. Guys you should stay in your countries. This is just good marketing and with good marketing you can sell everything even Canadia dream.

  • MCH

    It’s hard for skilled immigrants to go back to their professional fields because almost every occupation is regulated in Canada. You may need a “Serving it right” certificate even if you just want to work as a server.

    Don’t give up, however. There are a lot of successful stories out there and here are some of the examples:
    http://www.canadianimmigrant.ca/immigrantstories/career

  • J

    To immigrate or not to immigrate. That is the question. I’ve trying to figure this out for a little more that three years, but haven’t had the guts to make a decision. I’m pretty well-off in my home country, but the future seems dark and unpleasant. However, I’ve got this patriotic thing going on, like a pre-immigration nostalgia I guess. I’m running out of time and don’t know what to do. As the author says it is better to regret you have done something than to regret you have not done it. What should I do?

  • Johnny

    Dear all
    Can u give me some advices. I already got my PR status and I immeidately go back to Hong Kong to make money. However, my daughter is going to land again one or two years from now and my wife will go with her.
    Shall I stay in HK to make money (I lost out to stay with my family) or I should immigrate to Canada (Vancouver to be exact) but I do not end up working as a janitor or a security guard. I work in HK in the banking industry. I also got a doctoral degree in business and teaching part time in HK. I can kiss all my present living standard goodbye if I came to Canada.

    Which one will you choose?

  • Jack

    So things are working well for you in Hong Kong. Why would you want to jeopardize that?

    If you got PR status to see snow here then well that’s another story.

  • http://n/a Lyla

    Johnny it’s a good point Jack is making. Would you care to share why did you decide to immigrate when present living is good for you?

  • Johnny

    hi thanks for the reply

    My daughter is attending an international school in HK and need to further her education overseas. Canada becomes her first choice becasue I and my wife graduated in Canada (but went back to HK after graduation). All my family members are in Vancouver and hence we applied for immigration and got accepted.

    Now I am in a difficult position: immigrate with my daughter and wife and I may end up competing for janitor and security guard job mind you that I am 48 already. Of course, I definitely cannot get the salary and perks I am enjoying right now. My current saving cannot allow me to live in Canada without working.

    But if I come to Canada, I can be with my daughter and wife and I will not miss her growing up process. That is something that cannot be measured in monetary terms. I kind of like the environment in Canada with fresh air as everybody knows HK is a highly polluted city. We are afraid of racism in Canada and my wife and I will live in Richmond where the predominant race is Chinese and so I think encounter of racism can be minimized.

    Since I am a PR and can come back to Canada after 3 years and live the last 2 years within the 5 year period, I think we still have time to think it over.

    If you were me, what choice will you make?

  • Jack

    Wow Johnny, you decided to immigrate because you like the “fresh air” of the lovely weather here!

    Salutes! You are a very brave man, sir!

  • Johnny

    Hi Jack
    come to Hong Kong and you may want to leave right away except the smell of money may make you stay.

  • Artur

    Guys, who can tell me the situation of foreign trained University professor with an ESL teaching background in Canada? Is it that hard to work in a college or a university?

  • Robert

    @Johnny. Let me try and help you. The racism that you fear, is exaggerated. Canada is a peaceful country, with relatively high levels of tolerance. That said, the issue you will face, is a hidden hostility towards foreigners. I am white, english speaking and I hold a Ph.D. I do not get any warm receptions. Frankly I find the workplace hostile. I too left a position of economic comfort, and find it extraordinarily difficult to replicate. Hong Kong is a relatively safe and prosperous country. You will need to examine your reasons for coming to Canada. Mine consisted of leaving a country with a high violent crime rate, and no future for my children. But you will be assured of a tough transition in Canada, with poor pay, no recognition or respect. Theoretically, you could rise above this, but it will take at least 5 years, I am told. Hope my comments assist.

  • Johnny

    Dear Robert,
    Thanks for your comments and right now I am more leaned towards staying in HK to continue make $ and let my family coming here. I foresee that I am not going to get any meaningful job in Canada. Regarding the hostility towards foreigners, I am surprised to see that with a priveleged position like you and you still feel the hidden hostility. I am working in an international investment bank right now and there are quite a number of British and American expatriates. They come and work and nobody mentioning anything about “HK experience”. I wonder what is the real purpose of “Canadian experience”. Except certain professions say medical doctor, I do not see such Canadian experience is really necessary unless it is designed to keep immigrant out of the job market.

    Robert, thanks for your advice.

  • Robert

    @Johnny. My qualifications are in Investment Finance; specifically building internationally diversified portfolios. The hostility I experienced was to completely ignore my experience, education, research and background. I was required to start from scratch, as if I hadn’t studied at all. Canadian experience is merely an excuse to keep foreigners out of professions where there is an over-representation of mediocre candidates. My training remains far more advanced than those that I have met, but the fact remains that I cannot get ahead without sacrificing time and dignity, and then there is still no guarantee. As for those professions where Canada has a shortage, like medicine, they are more than happy to accept foreigners. But speak to the foreign doctors and they will tell you they experience marginalisation too.

    Because I have the skill to invest my own money, I was able to arrive in Canada with some money, and meet my bills for 18 months, before buying a business. I would recommend, if you are earning good money, that you develop an aggressive investment plan, stay in Hong Kong, visit frequently, and hope that Canada can be a retirement goal in the future. But to work here, with your background, will be demeaning, and it will break your spirit. I may be wrong, but probability suggests otherwise.

  • Johnny

    Hi Robert,
    What you advise me is what I am going to do. Other than working in a bank, I also teach on part-time basis and hopefully I can accumulate enough wealth to have a peaceful life in Canada.
    BTW, are you working in a bank right now? I am studying FRM right now and I think it is a world recognized title and shall carry some weight in Canada. If you are not working in a bank, are you teaching at university. I am also thinking of teaching but after got my doctoral degree, I actually have not written any paper.

    Since you are good at investment, I have a business model would like to share with you. A lot of HK immigrants to Canada accumulate certain wealth to buy a house/car but they do not have enought money to live until death. What they did is to stick their eyes on computer monitor whole day (depending upon which market they invest) and somehow they can earn a kind of return better than the hard labor job at Superstore. US and HK equity markets are their favor. With you skills, this could be another alternative to keep on looking for a professional job that does not exist or shut you out at all.

  • Johnny

    Dear Robert,
    There is a business proposal you may be interested. My email address is englishpatient2006@yahoo.com.hk If you are interested, pls send me an email. Since this blog is catering more to immigrant issues, it may be inappropriate to disclose the details here.

  • sally

    Well all that sounds like a solution for Johnny which leads me to ask my similar question.
    I am a Chef wanting to immigrate to Canada, but I dont particularly want to work as a Chef. (its one of the skilled jobs needed). I would prefer to work as an event co-ordinater or doing Wedding Flowers which i have done for the past 5 years but have no certificate for.
    Does anybody know if i can get a PR card and not work as a Chef?
    Also i am trying to work out where to live. Dont think I want anywhere too big. I love the idea of Montreal as I would love to be forced to learn French, but I just feel its too big. Then i looked at Edmonton as it has good shopping (I believe), close to Calgary and Whistler for skiing. I looked at those too but I dont think i would like to live in a resort town. Lived in Park City in Utah and loved it. Anyway maybe Edmonton?
    If anybody can shed some light on where to live and my job propects that would be great. I am a single 40 year old chick who just wants to start fresh from Australia. My “dream” is to live in some cute town or neighborhood and wake up to snow in winter, but have nice hot summers. Sorry if my dream sounds typical but a dream is a dream. Cheers.

  • D

    Sally,
    It looks like you will most probably be working as a chef in Canada if you immigrate, unless you plan to invest your own money in a wedding flowers business.

  • spirit

    Immigrated over 20 years ago. Would have left if I would not have invested heavily. One would say sell your interests, but as an immigrant it is economically very difficult. As an immigrant I believe you are a second class citizen in different aspects, don’t believe you are equal.

  • BoySugbo

    This is the same question I asked before. It took me 6 months to finally decide after I got the VISA stamping. I’m was a PR then in Singapore and during that time I was confused and scared to take a gamble migrating here in Canada. But I didnt regret it since I follow my heart. Those who regret are those have a very wide expectations. I search from internet what life it could be as an immigrant.

  • FAIRY

    I AM AN INDIAN DOCTOR WORKING IN THE GULF, JOBS GOOD, BUT NO STABILITY HERE, PLANNING TO LAND IN JUNE. CANT DECIDE TO STAY, HAVE NO COURAGE TO GIVE SO MANY EXAMS, HOW TO GO ABOUT IN RELATED NON REGULATED PROFESSIONS? AND ABOVE ALL IS IT WORTH IT TO IMMIGRATE AT ALL?

  • mathew

    I am from NY. I came here to get married because we both are man. But now I am not sure if we made right choice. I feel like we lost everything we had in NY. I just feel Canada is just taking advantage of new immigrants. Almost all of new immigrants I have met have great background and education. But all of them are struggling with finding a job. We came here with decent amount of saving to start new life. But most likely many of us will use them up and have to go back to our own country. This has quite huge impact on Canadian economy and I believe the government expect that. Also there are so many people make ends meet by working something related to new immigrants such as job agencies and career school etc. I guess that is one of the reason Canada accepts so many immigrants every year.

    People who plans come here, it is up to you.

  • Johnny

    It is quite obvious that this is an industry with profit as the major motive. Here is how it works
    (1) Canada targets mainly middle class in developing countries because they must have some savings to come here
    (2) These new immigrants pay hefty fees for application and hence Canadian Government can cover its admin costs
    (3) These new immigrants after coming to Canada will start to spend their savings to support their lives, buy cars, houses, rent apartments etc. etc. and all these boost the local economy (injection into the economy) and can prop up certain industries say auto or housing.
    (3) When immigrants settle down and they start to look for a job, they found that they are shut from the main stream labor market in the name of Canadian experiences. This is a globalized economy and except certain professions, these Canadian experiences are merely excuses to protect the local people.
    (4) Then immigrants faced a choice at this juncture: (a) they go back and in most scenarios the savings may be depleted. (b) they stay in Canada and can only get survival jobs (PhD work as a junitor etc. etc.) or burn their savings.
    (5) Statistics indicated that 30% went back to their home country and think about the money they spent.
    (6) Economically, Canada gains through this thriving industry. However, since majority of new immigrants are from developing worlds with different races (Chinese, Indian and Middle East descent), racial tolerance will likely to be jeopardized (The local white people may not necessarily be racists but I guess it is human nature not to live with people that has great cultural differences)
    (7) The new immigrants come and go and the process continue.

  • May

    I would like to add a born and raised Canadian perspective to this. Firstly, the reason Canada requires many professional immigrants to pass tests or upgrade their skills is because the education standards and trade skills vary so much from one country to another. For instance in the medical field some countries education for practicing is as much as two full years shorter than it is in Canada. Our methods of treatment or how or when we refer patients to specialists differs from some other countries. The main reason that those in the medical field do not pass the exams is language barriers. Research showed that the majority of those who wrote the exams overestimated their skills in english or french and it was the main cause of not passing the required exams.

    As for other trades, every country has it’s own building codes reflecting the enviromental needs in their given country, it’s own food safety standards, etc.

    Canada has a population made up of people from around the world with skills they were taught around the world so it is neccessary that those working in professional fields are all working and trained to the same level.

    As for whether Canadians are accepting of immigrants people have to understand that Canadians too are recovering from a recession and unemployment is a major problem here still. People here are just getting frustrated when they graduate and they too are working minimum wage jobs because there is no work. I don’t think it’s so much a matter of them blaming new Canadians as it is frustration that our Government keeps promoting and bringing more people than there are good jobs to accomodate.

    Canada also does have a problem with a LOT of people leaving right after gaining citizenship and rarely returning unless it’s for medical treatment or to retire at which stage they recieve old age pensions, medical treatment, etc. even though they have never contributed.

    I seriously believe, and I think it’s a fairly common opinion that immigration is good for the country but that to regain the confidence the public the government needs to be a little more selective, has to be more realistic in how many people per year we can successfully integrate and employ, and also put more money into helping our own unemployed retrain for the skilled trades that are available.

    This is just my perspective but Canada has one of the highest immigration and refugee acceptance rates per capita in the world and the Government is not fluctuating the annual intake to reflect what is actually needed at that time. This is not only frustrating for those who already reside here but also for the new immigrants who I feel are not given a true perspective of what to expect when they arrive.

    We are just growing too fast, and with our very generous family reunification allowances etc. we are ending up with a large number of unemployable or retired people who need all of the services we offer but can not contribute for every one employable person who immigrates here or arrives as a refugee. That puts a huge strain on our social programs and those who have paid into them their whole lives are seeing major cuts to the programs, longer hospital waits, increased poverty and homelessness etc. while our already very high taxes keep increasing.

    On the whole though I think Canadians are pretty accepting people. We just want our Government to be more responsible in regulating the number of people we take in annually and for our new citizens to be more accepting of Canadian values, traditions and laws and respect our country.

    I am hoping that this post might help those who newly arrive in Canada better understand the reason Canadians are perhaps becoming a little less accepting without just chalking it up to racisism or being prejudiced.

  • larry

    This is for Johnny,

    Don’t ever , I mean ever leave your job in hongkong for the sake of your sanity.
    i KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN VERY DEEP DEPRESSION BECAUSE OF SUDDEN LOSS OF INCOME, LOSS OF DIGNITY AND SELF RESPECT BECAUSE of a false dream. Imagine a nurse becoming a nanny , a doctor working in a call center.They don’t care because they don’t consider you as a canadian but just a new immigrant trying to compete for the few jobs available here.
    If you really want to migrate go to australia .A lot of my friends are happier there because aussies are more open minded and they are willing to give everybody a fair go. Don’t believe that australian are racist its not true.
    I live in both countries, 6 yrs in australia and 2 years here and pls pls pls don’t come here.It will be the biggest bad decision of your life.

  • Robert

    Hi, ill go to canada (winnipeg) this november.
    Im just 22 years old, graphic designer here in manila, philippines.

    My uncle’s live in winnipeg and they told me its good to live there.

    (buy things i want with my salary etc.)

    I just want to know what am i really looking forward to.

    I want to get my girflriend here too.

    any suggestions/tips? thanks guys. really do.

  • http://canadaimmigrantsblog deepika

    my advic is not to immigrate if you have good experience and good education in your own country.you will be really dissapointed. when you immigrate you will have to work under supervisors and managers who do not have even any qualification close to you. they take you for a ride because you have to work for survival.its ok for someone who dont have any experience, then he can learn in canada and gain experience in Canada.and the other issue is if you immigrate later in your life you will not have enough savings and your pension will not even enough to eat and drink properly.house rents are very high and in very poor shape. whats to be done.If anyone desperate to its OK.wellcome.racisom of course not openly done.but if you happen to work in a place where they are you will never get any thing how ever you are qualified than them.if they have grade 8, you need to have a post graduate to be equal. good luck.

  • Johnny

    Hi Larry
    Thanks for your advice.
    My deadline to enter canada and settle permanently is Oct/2013 while my daughter/wife will come to Vancouver in 2012. I am facing a delimna here:
    (1) stay in Vancouver with them, enjoy the beautiful scenery and spend quality time with them. The downside is that all those cannot pay for my expenses here.
    (2) Stay in HK and make good money but need to fly frequently to Vancouver to visit them. Honestly, without money, I am afraid my daughter will dispise me as living expenses will be quite high in Vancouver. BTW, can anyone tell me if my lose my PR status but my wife become a Canadian, can my wife apply me to become PR again. Thanks

  • Roy Mezes

    Immigration to Canada if you have a professional job in your home country is not at all advisable.
    The professional institutions are a monopoly enforcement clique which will not even recognize your grade 12 qualification, the universities are likewise very closed bodies not to mention very expensive.
    Most employers do not trust foriegn credentials even if you get them verified.
    There is a well known SFU thesis study where if your name does’nt sound canadian enough you do not get a call for an interview.
    In any case the manufacturing here is very limited so if one wants to work in the service industry, read pizza delivery and taxi driving since your credentals are not trustworthy enough for human interaction services, or unless you want to enrich the canadian education system while jumping thru endless hoops, do not bother to emigrate.
    There are always exceptions to this rule but this seems to be the rule.
    I enclose the study as proof you need not listen to individual experience
    OTTAWA – Recent immigrants are less likely to find work in Canada than their Canadian-born
    counterparts, even if they’ve been educated at North American universities, a new Statistics
    Canada report released Friday suggests.
    “What it shows is it’s not necessarily just a credential issue,” said Jason Gilmore, an analyst with
    Statistics Canada. “Even immigrants educated in Canada still have a low employment rate.”

    Tiffany Crawford, Canwest News Service
    Published: Friday, July 18, 2008

  • http://alibhai.8k.com Ali

    I am 29 Year old Software Engineer living in Islamabad, Pakistan, My wife is a Canadian PRC holder and my Son(11 months old) is a Canadian Citizen. I work at a multinational company here and Have a very good salary + benefits.

    I have been married for more than 2 years now.. and I decided not to Migrate to Canada.. and I still plan to stay here unless I have a very good job offer from Canada.

    Thanks,
    Ali

  • Em

    I have my PR to live in Nova Scotia, Canada and have had this since landing and activating it in July 2010.

    I am still not sure if I should move to Nova Scotia or not, as it means leaving my family 3000 miles away in the UK. I also have a decent well paid job, which although I do not like, is still a decent job.

    My main issue is leaving the only family I have and moving 3000 miles away on my own. I love NS, but I am not sure if living there is going to be as good as just going on vacation there, but I don’t want any regrets – so anxious, confused and unsure about what to do for the best. ….. what should I do???

  • Rs

    Hi,

    I am from Mauritius, a tiny island in the Indian ocean. Am 25 yrs old and a degree holder in Accounting with Is.

    Am currently working in a bank. Job stability is good. But am not working in a position where a degree holder should have been. But pretty satisfied with the working conditions. But the main hic is the salary, not being paid enough.

    I have a relatively a good life, good family background quite an easy mode of living. I have everything here.

    The counterpart, i have tried to see in some years how i will be here. It looks dull and boring. Mauritius can’t offer much because it is limited. That’s not the way i want to live. Am feeling suffocated and want new things which is impossible to get here.

    I have already applied for a PR and it might take a lil more than a year to get it. I wanna go and start my life afresh. I had been with a girl and it did not work out. An escape route for me!!!! Am very fluent in English and French, might prove useful in Quebec,,

    After hearing my story, wanna your opinion, should i move to Ca?? But in my mind its all clear…am coming !!

    thx

  • dreamseeker

    hey guyzz !!

    do civil engineers have a good oppertunity in canada ?

  • Scandinavian

    I am about to immigrate to Toronto this year. The reason is my future Canadian husband. I would never thought of immigrating to Canada otherwise. Working as a RN in my country and having a bachelor degree in health care I do regard myself valuable to the Canadian health care market. I am working really hard as a RN in my country (Scandinavia) with an average salary (poor) and I am used to work hard for my money. So, I do not have any expectations on digging gold when coming to Canada. I just hope to get a job as fast as I can, even though my future husband may be able to support me. Going through all the reaquired tests before..well just have to get prepared and study in advance. I am sure I will make it! The RN:s in my country are highly educated.

    As a skilled worker I will not accept to be regarded as a lower class person because of the fact that I am not born Canadian, holding my head up and asking what Canada can offer me and also tell Canada what I may have to offer!

    I am fighter. Let´s see how I will make it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XBRBVMZ4ZRMNE644U4YWQ246SA jerome

    I am a new immigrant who has just arrived in Canada. So I have already started my journey in Canada, I immigrated with my wife and we came without jobs but with some saving to last 2years. Do you believe if I tell you how hard was it to find the first job in Canada? I send out my resume and do not get many responses except from temp agencies who ask the same question: “Do you have canadian experience?”
    I graduated from reputable UK university with a first class standing. In addition, I have a Master degree, 10 years of engineering experience and a good resume. The good thing is that my wife has a job to sustain us. Life is tough as the market is very bad.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XBRBVMZ4ZRMNE644U4YWQ246SA jerome

    I would like to point out to May that we are liviing in a global world and economy. Knowledge and skill are not bounded  and defined in an enclosed environment. We have to be open, transparent, non-discriminatory and objective. As such, we are open to national association speed up and create national standards for accreditation and no more burdensome than necessary for us.

  • Emjayc673

    Nova Scotia is lovely, as is Newfoundland.  Small, community orientated and near the ocean
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