An Interview

By Edar 'Cinnikull' Aihil

immigrant interview

Yours truly was approached by Ryerson University’s Brooke Wilkinson for an interview last December. Below I reproduce a script for my readers and public benefit, as it has not been publicly shared. All credit where its due while mistakes & omissions are mine.

By Brooke Wilkinson

Why did you want to leave your home country?

For a better life in a freer country.

Why did you decide to move to Toronto?

Because a family member lived here.

What family members or friends did you leave behind? How do you stay in touch?

My parents, siblings and my friends. I stay in touch via phone and email.

What was the single biggest struggle once you first arrived?

Finding employment.

What is the worst thing that has happened to you since then?

Not having been able to find employment within my professional field and settling for a job way below qualification/experience/education. Having to quit that job because of embarrassingly exploitative conditions and subsequently spending a year of depression and anxiety while trying to find another, and upon getting one, having to lose it because the company went bankrupt.

What was the best thing?

The luxury of drinking fresh water straight out of the tap.

Did you experience any culture shock when you first arrived?

Not really. I have worked and lived in different countries before coming to Canada, with members of all the world’s major cultures. The culture shock to me now will be going back to my country of birth.

Were there any language barriers?

No. I’m fluent in English (hold a Masters degree in English Literature), and, having worked in different countries, retain very little trace of an accent. My British-English pronunciation, however, sometimes sticks out like a sore thumb. I am now beginning to learn French as well.

Who has helped you the most since you arrived in Canada?

My brother who immigrated before me and who has been a citizen for a few years now. I stayed with him and his family when I arrived, until I found my first job and rented my own apartment.

Is there someone that you really look to for help and support?

No.

Did you come to Canada with a wife, girlfriend, partner or children?

No. I am single.

Have you been trying to find someone in Canada? Do you plan on marrying here?

Yes, it’s in my plans.

How did you go about finding employment when you first arrived?

I wrote to all advertising agencies (my actual profession) in Toronto, sending my resumes and asking for just a foot in the door without any big salary expectations or title, but never heard from any. Frustration grew after a while, so then I just started applying for anything in any profession, underselling and diluting my qualifications to a laughable point, and got a ridiculously exploitative job.

Did anyone help you?

No.

What more do you think could be done to help new immigrants find employment?

Something more than the superficial and self-serving government-funded cushy programs that seem content only on handing out glossy recycled “information” literature that actually serves the purpose of showcasing what they are doing in order to get continued funding and grants. I think the only employment help they are capable of providing is making sure they stay employed themselves.

You mentioned in your entry Newcomer Employment Tips that companies and industries in Canada fail to recognize international credentials for engineers and doctors. What more do you think our government can do to allow professionals to work in their fields once they arrive in Canada?

I know it sounds daring or even crazy, but something like this should at least be tried, even on a small scale:

Skilled-worker class Immigrants must be given at most one guaranteed chance to prove themselves in their relevant skill fields — say, an appraisal based test-employment program — even if the cost is borne by the government or businesses.

Of course, there will be problems and resentment in the beginning, but this will ensure immigrants get into professions with whose credentials they applied for immigration. And those are the professions that are supposed to have need for workers, for government to approve their immigration applications in the first place.

If the immigrants fail on the job while under this guaranteed test-employment program, let them fail themselves and realize that they should do something else. At least the government will have done its duty to put them into areas for which they were granted immigration, in all fairness.

When you could not find decent employment in Canada in early 2008, how did that make you feel?

It was early 2007. I could not find anything for an entire year. What it made me feel, is something I don’t like to revisit, even for the sake of making a point.

You also mentioned that you considered returning home. What made you decide to stay?

A last ditch attempt resulted in a somewhat acceptable job that was still very remote from my actual profession and for which I was way overqualified and had to undersell myself. But at least I could afford an apartment to live in. That job, as I write, is lost, because the company went bankrupt this week. I am too dumbfounded to comment on that development right now.

In the entry, Time to think of leaving may be approaching,  you said that you do not have any connections or networks or friends. How important do you think a support system is for a new immigrant?

It’s as important to an immigrant as it is to any ‘regular’ Canadian or a human being for that matter. However, having said that, I think that a majority of ‘older newcomers’ tend to be so unsuccessful and detached from the mainstream Canadian life that at times I wonder if it is actually better that a ‘new newcomer’ does not have any connections or networking with the ‘old boys network’ at all.

Have you experienced overt racism since you arrived in Canada, either in the workplace or otherwise?

Not in the workplace, yet. But I have experienced it out on the street, as I’ve written on the blog. There is a lot of overt racism in the comments sections of all major and minor Canadian newspapers online. Internet’s anonymity brings people out of their closets.

What do you think we all can do to prevent racism towards new immigrants in the future?

Racism is not aimed just at new immigrants. Racism is aimed at anyone appearing different than the majority at any given place. It will decrease as society becomes more integrated and offers more equal opportunity. But racism is often a direct result of bigotry. For immigrants from some parts of the world, bigotry can be reduced if Canada’s policy towards the world changes. When a 4th generation western European-ancestry Canadian soldier is killed in a war that is perceived as “them” versus “us”, bigots will not like “them” living in this society and will never accept them as “us”. Canada’s interventionist foreign policy should be questioned by an increasingly multi-racial nation.

Do you feel that immigrants from certain countries are given unfair advantage over other countries?

I don’t think so. If it appears that way, it could be because of the sheer numbers of people applying to immigrate from certain poorer countries. A developed country will have fewer people immigrating. As a result, anyone applying from those developed countries will have a much more rapid and easier experience than immigrants from a country where there’s a huge backlog of applications. This should create frustration and accusations of unfair advantage. I think given its enormity, the Canadian immigration process is quite fair.

Despite that you weren’t able to vote, did you feel that one party should have won in the recent Canadian election?

No, I see both main parties as equally glum, insipid and uninspiring. Besides, hardly anything was achieved with such an expensive exercise after which everything remained quite the same.

Your list of Successful, Famous Immigrants, includes a list of successful immigrant men in Canada. Are any of these men your role models?

No! In fact, the list was done to show how little accomplishment is there from immigrants.

I also noticed that in this list there are no women. Why do you think that is?

I’m sure there are many women qualified to be on the list. It’s just that I haven’t come across any particular name or looked hard enough.

Do you think it is more difficult for women than men to immigrate to Canada?

I don’t think so. In fact, I personally think women have a better chance of integrating and becoming more successful immigrants than men.

In your blog entry Wanted: A family doctor accepting new patients! you said it is impossible to find a family doctor. In another blog entry, you note that it is difficult for international doctors to find work in Canada because their credentials aren’t recognized. Do you think allowing more internationally trained doctors to work in Canada would solve this problem?

Yes. But I think the problem is fundamentally caused by an alarmingly increasing aging population of ‘old Canadians’ who will continue to take the largest chunk out of Canada’s health care. I wouldn’t be surprised if all health care in future is entirely dedicated to them and the rest of us end up using home remedies!

Do you experience any financial struggles on a day-to-day basis?

Not as long as I have steady income. When I don’t, I struggle.

What are these struggles?

Biggest worry is paying out the rent and being able to keep the apartment.

Should others be doing more to help immigrants struggling financially?

No. It’s the very prevailing welfare handout culture in Canada that makes everyone feeling entitled for something that they should be earning with hard work — given fair opportunity. It makes us all uncompetitive and just plain lazy.

If you do not have any financial struggles, what has kept you financially stable?

What little life-time savings that I brought from back home, which have now dwindled and made me sad to have spent it all for apparently nothing. In fact, at times I feel that starting from the immigration application process, I have given more money and effort to Canada than Canada has returned in kind.

Do you think you are better off living in the Greater Toronto Area than in another part of Canada?

Yes. I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else, because of its ethnic/cultural diversity and also it being the financial, cultural and commercial centre of Canada.

What are your hopes for the future?

To continue with my Pursuit of Happiness — to quote, ironically, the United States Declaration of Independence.

Will you become a Canadian citizen?

Yes.

Why?

Because it’s the country I chose to live in and call my home — not new or old — but one and only home.

Published: July 23rd, 2009

13 Comments

  1. Zhu Says:

    I can imagine it’s very hard to come to Canada by yourself. I was lucky to know at least one Canadian: my husband! ;-)

    What you say about immigrants and their skills is very true… it’s so frustrating to be fighting to make people understand foreign training is still valid training!

  2. crammo Says:

    It looks like she included your interview in this article:

    http://litc.journalism.ryerson.ca/life_in_the_city/fall08_citizens/lana.beth.alex.jf.josh/brooke.wilkinson/index-brooke

  3. Matt Says:

    It is very hard to go through all these processes of immigration, and then settling in a new place. You really need skill for that.

  4. stella Says:

    ya very true.The entire process is very difficult as I believe

  5. Sydney Says:

    Nice thoughts. Wonderfully articulated. I totally agree with your comments on racism! Online discussions on newspaper sites in Canada are becoming a such a shame. Just mention the “I” word and see creepy crawlies surface up in numbers!

    I support the appraisal based employment scheme you are proposing for newcomers. But be warned. You say it could be controversial, I say it will be just the ammunition anti immigration types are looking for!

    I don’t necessarily agree with your healthcare comments where you blame seniors and old people, because I see it as our successive governments’ failure to recognize the approaching problem for many years. They simply failed to act and plan against babyboomers getting old. People don’t get old suddenly.

    Thank you for a nice read.

    Syd

  6. Rav Says:

    “I think the only employment help they are capable of providing is making sure they stay employed themselves.”

    Ditto! ;)

  7. Ferry Says:

    Before I migrated to Canada : Blah, these people didn’t try hard enough…..

    After I arrived in Canada : I should have listened to them…..

    I experienced the very same thing that many new immigrants have to go through. I will spread the news later on, and hope that the Canadian government can no longer lie and give false hope to other ‘will-be’ victims.

  8. David natas Says:

    Good website and suggestions there. Still I would say you were/are lucky in that you were able to survive for a year without working, I do know of many people who have had to give up rather quickly because they just couldnt afford this – at most some of the people I knew had funds for living here ,without a job, for only about 6-8 months.

    In fact quebec immigration allows one to be here with 3 months worth of living expenses which, to eb honest is never enough. They assume one will get a job in 3 months!!!

  9. Vlad Says:

    I’m … so not …convinced , … but my future husbandt will “gain” citizenshipppppp :) , and he want’s to try to practice medicine there , even if … MD school is made abroad … imagine , where we are now , I make like an average of 1.500 eur /mth … I’m I crazy ? ( We want to leave Romania because we are GAY ( and young him 24 and me 25 )= blaming/hateing/discrimating/soo on, and I’m in a “Police/Gov/Job” … and also here, everything is about “networking” aka – friends/relatives/high diplomates/maiors/so on … ) still , I don’t know what to do :) , sad isn’t it ?
    P.S. “my bad” 4 misspelling :) long time no write :)

  10. Kristi Says:

    Hi – I love your blog! I just read the whole thing. I love your sense of humour!

    My husband and I are Australian professionals and arrived in T.O. nearly seven weeks ago. Even coming from a country so incredibly similar to Canada, we’re not having much luck with jobs.

    I’m sick of hearing “no Canadian experience”, and “the only way to get a job is to network, network, network!”. So you have to know someone to get a job here? How ridiculous and how completely unfair.

    I too am sick of giving my resume an extreme makeover every time I apply for a job – and as for cover letters, I’ve tried serious, gimmicky, bullet points, short, long, you name it. I suspect the jobs on Workopolis and Monster have already been filled or never existed.

    I’m sick of the expensive car insurance, expensive phones (being charged when someone calls YOU?? Unheard of!), and yes that 2.5 hour commute to get anywhere. If I have an interview, it’s going to take up most of my day just getting there and getting home.

    I haven’t needed a doctor yet but your post alarms me greatly about doctors who have openings. In Australia you can call and get an appointment that day, if not the next.

    I think Canada is such a crock – we’re going to give it 6 months and then head back – luckily we will still have almost half our savings left.

    The sad thing is, if I had have read your blog and other immigrant experiences before I left, I would have said “That’s sad, but I know we’ll be successful!” too! :(

  11. Kanji Says:

    It is really interesting to see all dialogues. They do not look realistic but I think they are true. Canada is not perfect but relatively a nice country comperared with others. Cheers :)

  12. Twigs Says:

    I think that a lot of problems with jobs in Canada stem from immigration, although it’s not the fault of the immigrants at all. I think the government is letting in more people than they can provide jobs and homes for.

    I think people around the world take it for granted that they can leave their homelands and come and live in Canada, forgetting that this is the homeland of its own citizens as well. Multiculturalism does bring greater understanding of different customs around the world, but it also makes it harder to feel part of a Canadian national culture.

    No matter who you are in Canada, unless you are of aboriginal background (and they’ve been mostly kicked off their own land), you feel like a foreigner and like you don’t belong. I was born here and it’s never felt like home.

  13. Lindy Says:

    immigrated to canada as a skilled worker in november 2008. i am already back in my third world country less than one year. canadian job market is pathetic. there are no jobs. they expect you to go back to studies and later, getting canadian education does not even guarantee you a job. never seen a country like that. canada is like a third world country

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